iâve started to see some really upsetting comments on other peopleâs fics; and itâs made me so cautious that iâve just started moderating comments on my own.
like â
sad that authors think they can post a chapter their fic and then never updateâ and like⊠of course they can?? itâs their fic, not yours. if you want control of an update schedule, then you need to write your own fic. simple as that.Â
tl;dr it was a really long and upsetting thread in a fandom i write for (telling the author they âowed them an apologyâ, lmao) and i feel like thereâs been this kind of shift in fandom behavior of likeâŠdemanding updates more often than you actually write a comment to the author about what you like about the story in the first place.Â
and also a shift in likeâŠspam like comments? i actually donât agree with âany comment is better than noneâ. i would rather have none than âupdate!â and i would rather have none than one-word comments that have no context like âbastardâ (you have to assume itâs one of your characters, but you donât know which one?? if people arenât going going to specify, sometimes itâs better to justâŠnot say anything, tbh).
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guess iâll just talk about tudors because i have so much meta-ish about it iâve yet to discuss:
in retrospect, it kind of baffles me that they tried to make their character of henry more sympathetic in ways that were inaccurate (i.e. donât reflect historic record) and less sympathetic (or, i guess here i mean likable more than sympathetic) in ways that were inaccurate.
for more sympathetic, we have, for instance:
anne of cleves is told that in addition to her pension for accepting the annulment, she is free to marry whoever she chooses (the former is true enough, the latter was certainly not)
henry fitzroy dying at like⊠five or six? henry crying over his lil cap (if theyâd started earlier they could have had a scene of emotional anguish after the new yearâs prince of 1511 died, but nooooooo,)
henry wearing black for mourning while anne wears yellow after koaâs death is announced (bitch wore yellowâŠand sorry, no, it wasnât the âSpanish color of mourningââŠ)
and like i know, creative license and yada-yada, but like also…he did so much that so wholly unsympathetic that’s right there for you to use?? to the point where creating so many unsympathetic scenes w/ no basis in historic record just seems like uuuuh…overkill.
So, this passage is from a biography Iâm reading right now, and Iâm going to challenge it. The author is certainly not the first to state something similar to this take; in fact this is a common narrative that Iâve come across a lot.Â
My belief is that this narrative is due (at least in part) to something Iâve privately (well, up till now), referred to as the Anne of the Thousand Days effect:Â
That line, along with this one:
Yes, Iâve
been told itâs not safe for any of us to say no to our king. That put on, kindly, hail-fellow-well-met of yours. My fatherâs house will be pulled
down, and Northumberlandâs too, they tell me. Well, pull them
down, Your Majesty, you are
what I said.
âŠare what have endured.Â
They have, in fact, endured so steadfastly that Iâve never read anyone challenge them; nor have I ever read an examination of evidence pertaining to the subject (Henry VIII, his mistresses, and treatment of them when they were, and no longer were), and whether or not it fits this narrative or contradicts it.
I have never been able to find a single shred of evidence that suggests Henry pursued any woman, and then, once she rejected him, set out to âruin her familyâ. Certainly he had the power to do so, being king, if he so wished, but having the power does not necessitate that he ever abused the power. Moreover, once this is considered, the argument that Anne only entertained his affections out of fear of the ruin of her family weakens; unless there was proof that her father pushed Mary into being Henryâs mistress out of this fear â or ambitionâ himself.
Beyond the realm of The Tudors and The Other Boleyn Girl; there is no such evidence. In fact, it would be fair to say there might be evidence to suggest the contrary (that Thomas Boleyn did not approve of the former affairâ which couldâve taken place during Maryâs marriage to Carey, or before it). Even the work making the claim that Henry offered âno direct financial supportâ contradicts itself with its own evidenceâÂ
âThomas Boleyn obviously little did little to assist Mary, since Henry VIII later granted Anne the wardship of Maryâs son Henry [after Maryâs husband had died; this leaving Mary in financial straits].â
Henry granted Anne the wardship. Surely this was at Anneâs behest; but it suggests a collaborative effortâ after all, it is not as if he refused to grant the wardship to Anne, and the pension to Mary.
Beyond that they had sex at least once, we know nothing for certain about the nature of the relationship between Henry and Mary Boleyn. Due to what we donât know, it does make it a bit difficult to examine the claim that Henry offered her nothing because she was no longer his mistress, or that he âdiscardedâ her, which is another narrative Iâve often read (again, this assumes a lotâ for all we know, they could have had a mutual parting of ways, a one-night-stand, a few-week âflingâ, a month-long affair, etc.). That he ârefused to accept parental responsibilityâ assumes that he had paternity of Mary Boleynâs childrenâŠthis is, again, something we do not know. As we cannot date when the affair was (not even, as I said, if it was during her marriage to Carey or before it) beyond that it occurred before he asked for a dispensation pertaining to âa degree of affinity throughâŠillicit intercourseâ to marry Anne; it is impossible to determine if it was even possible that Catherine and Henry Carey were Henryâs illegitimate children, born 1524 and 1526 (approximately), much less probable.
Henry VIII issued a series of grants to William Carey from February 1522 to May 1526. It has been assumed that this must have dated the duration of his affair with Mary, and that the end of the grants marked the beginning of his interest in Anne, but this is mere speculation. If we mark Henryâs interest in Anne to the Shrovetide Joust of February 1526, with his âDeclare I Dare Notâ motto, and the letter claiming heâs been âa whole year stricken with the dart of love" (which is dated, by several historians, to have probably been written late 1526/early 1527), it is probable thatâ at the very leastâ he continued to make grants to Carey for at least five more months after ending the affair with Mary (although this is, again, hypothetical dating).Â
So, letâs take a look at that claim again:
âThefactthat Henry offered no direct financial support to his former mistress is an indication of his indifference to those who no longer contributed to his pleasure.â
A) How, exactly, does any kind financial support (even if âindirectâ, whichâ hello â has a similar effect to direct financial support in the case of grants to Maryâs husband, and an identical effect with her annual pension granted in 1528, as well as the assurance that her son would be receiving a fine education by skilled tutors at the assurance of her sister) indicate indifference?
B) Given the timeline of the probable longest hypothetical for the affair, it seems like Henry did continue to offer financial support, in the form of grants to her husband, after Mary âno longer contributed to his pleasure.â
C) Moreover, why would Mary have expected a man she had slept with to offer her financial support? It was her husband that was under obligation to do so, and he was Gentleman of the Privy chamber, and Esquire of the Body to the Kingâ the implication that they were destitute after Henry stopped issuing grants due to âhis indifferenceâ, when both positions had a salary, seems a little far-fetched. After Carey died and she lost her husbandâs financial support, Henrydid give her an annual pension to support herself, as well as ensure that her son was taken care of (again, her son whose paternity was either Williamâs or Henryâsâ and we donât know which).
D) The assumption that he would not have helped her if heâd had no relationship with Anne at the time of Careyâs death is just thatâ an assumption. We donât know if he wouldnât have in that scenario, because that scenario didnât occur.Â
E) There is no indication that he offered âno direct financial supportâ or assistance to his earlier mistress, Bessie Blount (even after their relationship ended) or the illegitimate child he had by herâ in fact, Henry Fitzroy was titled a duke. After she had Henryâs son, a marriage was arranged to her for a baronâ so the underlying assumption and drama of the speech in AOTD (that to be Henryâs mistress was, and had always been, the ruin of a womanâs life, standing, and reputation), again, falters in the face of the actual historic record (at least, as far as precedent goesâ which was, before he asked Anne to be his âofficial mistressâ, only Blount and Mary for certain).Â
The financial support Henry continued to offer Blount and his son by her would indicate the opposite of what this passage claims Henryâs actions indicateâ again, that he was indifferent to those that âno longer contributed to his pleasureâ.
But my examination of the evidence concerning Bessie Blount (and perhaps, a speculated-mistress for good measureâ Iâm thinking perhaps Jane Popincourt, or Anne Stafford) is something I will tackle in âpart 2âł.